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Friday Feedback

December 2, 2016 by Mike Casazza

Welcome to the Friday Feedback. Long week but we … made it.

Oh, man. The replies are gruesome. That’s the “pinned” tweet atop Skyler Howard’s Twitter page. I don’t follow Howard, so I don’t know how long it’s been there — how great would it be if he resurrected it this week amid all the other things going on around him? — but I had someone point it out to me a few days ago specifically so I’d see the replies.  I’ve heard some other stories and been told some other anecdotes this week. Like, did you know Howard sometimes asks a manager to boo him in practice so he feels comfortable? That’s a heck of a way to go through college.

For what it’s worth, I happened to catch a portion of Dana Holgorsen’s radio show last night, and Holgorsen, who didn’t address Howard’s postgame comments Tuesday, perhaps because he wasn’t asked about them, took to Howard’s defense. It wasn’t a universal acceptance or condemnation. It was just sort of addressed. Holgorsen said, in essence, Howard has feelings and is emotional and sometimes dabbles in the extremes, but he added that Howard has been going about his life this way for a long time. He is motivated, and he conjured up this approach to get from high school to WVU by way of stops at Stephen F. Austin and Riverside College.

This is the story of Howard’s three seasons: He is who he is, and some things about him can’t be changed.

Onto the Feedback. As always, comments appear as posted. In other words, take the seasick crocodile.

CC Team said:

WV has maybe two guys that are maybe legitimate All American type players this year; Orlosky and Douglas. Every other starter they have are players who can fit into a machine that runs pretty good, but by themselves are not good enough to lift their team to another level of play. Howard is just one of those guys. But because he is quarterback, his play is much more visible to the common fan than the linebacker or left tackle. So he gets singled out for more often. You can argue that it is the nature of his position and part of what comes with it, and I can’t dispute that. Nor will I defend his public reaction to the boos and criticism he has received. He would have been better off just refusing to react in a public way. But booing him because he isn’t talented enough to fulfill a fantasy of what WV football should be is wrong headed and the root cause of the problem. There are some who choose to emphasize only the negative in him now. That is ridiculous and unfair to him. I think Orlosky’s take says it all. I am a fan of Skyler Howard and am pleased that he chose to bring his talents (quite sizable if not extraordinary) and fight and hustle to the Mountaineers. Unfortunately I will not be at Mountaineer Field to show my appreciation in person when he walks out on the field Saturday, but I stand in support and respect for what he has done for the football team I choose to cheer for.

And we’re off!

Mack said:

The crowd will cheer Skyler. The crows WANTS to like Skyler. It only boos him after repeated poor play in a given game. The only quarterback that I can remember a WVU crowd legitimately hating the moment he stepped on the field was Brad Lewis. . . and I think there are a million different things that combined for that to happen. Mostly playing through injury because there was no capable backup and the fact that he was playing in RichRod’s offense which he couldn’t have been less suited for.

True story. I was still in school for Marshall’s true freshman year. I had some classes with some players. I remember Rasheed broke his wrist in the first game, and The Product mentioned it in the most parenthetical way imaginable in a teleconference. The players I knew believed Rasheed was going to be the starter before the season was over — there was a Saturday-open-Thursday stretch in the middle of the season — and I remember saying, “Man, poor Rasheed. How’s he feel?” The reply? “Rasheed? How’s Brad feel?”

Down South said:

Pretty amazing to me that we are discussing the idea that the starting QB of a WVU team that has a chance to finish 10-2 might get booed at Mountaineer Field during his Senior Day celebration.

… I am not amazed by this.

Sid Brockman said:

I also never understood people’s disdain with Dana’s QB recruiting. He was a WR who became a WR coach. The QBs he’s coached all put up big numbers, which Howard and Trickett both have. He’s also brought in two four-star kids (Crest and Childress) who haven’t worked out at all. It happens. Listen to other fan bases. They usually dislike their QB options also.

 

I think the conversation needs to be framed appropriately, too. I hear a lot of the, “Why can’t he get a quarterback here when he had them everywhere else he’s been?” Well, he didn’t recruit Geno, Weeden or Keenum, and all the Texas Tech guys were program/development guys. I feel like that’s an important part of the discussion. Other parts of the conversation can exist, but current shortcomings can’t be trumped up by past successes.

Michael Lucas said:

Skyler’s the best we have. BUT WHY? Why aren’t there 8 blue-chippers begging for a chance to play on a Holgorsen-led offense every year? There’s maybe 5 other P5 schools that offer the same visibility and the same chance to put up Tecmo Bowl numbers. Why can’t we get ONE?

I think five is way too conservative, but I understand the frustration, even in the presence of the aforementioned recruiting background. The repeated statistical success of the quarterbacks ought to entice some of the top prospects, but are we sure this is still a Tecmo Bowl offense? Does Grier reset productivity/expectations to a Geno level or has Howard opened Dana’s eyes to a more rounded offense? I think those are factors. And WVU does get in the room with some of the best. Not all of the best. Some. Why can’t they get one? It’s a fair gripe, but it’s one a lot of other schools have, too. But Childress had a pec explode and then had a falling out with the staff. Crest was a miss. Those were four-star recruits, the type of gets that satiate recruitniks.

Josh24601 said:

I’ve long said around these parts that I like Holgo — crazypants timeouting or not — and want him to be good enough to stay. The state of the program right now says he is. And the 2016-and-late-2015 run displaying the program progress is completely impossible without Skyler.

Some fans resent Skyler because they don’t consider him to be good enough to lead a playoff team, awkwardly concluding he is the reason WVU will finish 3rd in the league instead of winning it. The premise is true: “great” is over Skyler’s ceiling. This ignores WVU playing way over its head to get to 3rd in a year that, back in August, seemed to be one in which WVU would be lucky to wring 7 wins from.

It turned out that 2016 was a down year for the entire league. WVU got the wins Texas and TCU and K-State and Texas Tech didn’t because the WVU defense is deep and opportunistic and because Skyler is the QB. WVU was lucky, plucky, and tough enough to hang around, and Skyler stole the rest.

I dig it … and again I think about the balance and the success and the offense helping the defense helping the offense in an offensive league, and I wonder what sort of permanence there is. I can’t see Grier or whoever throwing 500 passes next year.

Mack said:

Do Pat White, Bruce Irvin, Marc Bulger, Pat McAfee, or any other former WVU players sit down and watch a WVU game, watch a quarterback throw the ball out of bounds on several plays in a row and say “We can’t get disappointed in him. He’s a student athlete and he’s doing the best he can.”

I agree that things can go too far, but booing a player at a football game, to me, certainly isn’t too far.

And if we are considering Rasheed Marshall a great quarterback then Skyler Howard is Dan Marino.

Yeah, I don’t know what’s wrong with using and trusting your eyes. If you see something and quickly identify it as plainly wrong or bad, you’re probably right. What that has to do with however many credit hours he’s taking or who he’s playing for, I guess I’ll never know.

I love you, Doug! said:

I guess the Crest situation will remain a mystery. High high school highlights show him throwing all over the place. Did he injure it sometime before entering WVU? During camp?

I have tried and I have failed to get to the bottom of this, but I know people who know him and they told be from the jump that he wouldn’t be able to play quarterback again because of the sustained activity that would require

Woodwork Inhabitant said:

Remember how Grier and Trickett were randomly assigned airline seats next to each other? That conversation about playing in Morgantown was paramount in Grier’s decision. Can you imagine what is said if some future Grier flies next to Howard? Seriously though, do we think this will all go away after Saturday or will it negatively affect recruiting the qb position? Would other coaches be able to use this against us on the trail or is it only a local story that feels bigger to West Virginians?

Excellent point. And what if Grier is just well-above average?

Sammy said:

Someone should ask Dana about how much QB recruiting has changed in recent years. Alabama is starting a true freshman QB who barely throws, and last year started a graduate transfer. The #2 and #8 passers in the country in terms of total yards are transfers from Texas Tech, and one of them, Baker Mayfield (1) might break the all-time single season pass efficiency record despite (2) never getting a scholarship offer from Texas Tech. TCU, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Florida and LSU all started transfers at QB this year (including two transfers from Purdue) and Texas also started a true freshman at QB. I mean look at this rivals ranking of QBs from 2014:

https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals250/2014?position=QB

Deshaun Watson is fantastic, and then…? Kyle Allen transferred from Texas A&M after mediocre play, Treon Harris left Florida, Jerrod Heard no longer plays QB at Texas, Drew Barker at KY got hurt and probably lost his job to some other guy, Sean White at Auburn averaged a mere 16 pass attempts per game, Brandon Harris at LSU lost his job to a Purdue transfer, we just played Jacob Park at Iowa State even though he originally enrolled at Georgia, and then most of these other guys I’ve never heard of because presumably they haven’t done anything. The 2013 ranking is even worse, and remember these are the *top* guys: https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals250/2013?position=QB And look at Oregon, where they couldn’t recruit anyone behind Marcus Mariota, got one graduate transfer and now the coach was fired.

My takeaway is it’s a huge crapshoot and also there’s so much more movement among graduate transfers and JUCOs and other transfers than ever. The problem with QB is it’s a long tailed game, and Dana’s problems were (1) Stewart left him with Geno Smith and literally not another body at QB, as Paul Millard was Geno’s backup, (2) he swung and missed on first Ford Childress and then William Crest, for whatever reason, and (3) as he tried to lock those guys down he didn’t bring in other QBs until he got religion in 2014 with Clint, Skyler and various young guys, but a lot of the damage had been done. I think he gets it now as he’s active in the transfer market (if Alabama, LSU and Florida can do it why not WVU?) and bringing in more young guys.

Again, I think you can criticize Dana but I don’t think it’s just a matter of QB evaluation as the whole QB recruiting process has changed so much and it seems to be an issue for these top tier programs. So I’d like to see someone talk to him about how different the process of getting QBs is even from just 5-8 years ago.

This isn’t something I want to get too deep into here, because I’d like to dig into both ideas more for the newspaper … and then we can spend more time on it here … but:

1. You can write a long list of recently or soon-to-be fired coaches and find one 10-win season or multiple 10-win seasons on each coach’s resume within the past, say, seven years. And then they’re out of a job? Common denominator with the high seasons and the low seasons is quarterback play. It’s vital.

2. The quarterback position has the strongest — and this is going to be clumsy — talent-to-transfer ratio out there. What I mean is, there are many quarterback transfers, but there aren’t many quarterbacks. There are many running back or cornerback transfers, but there are many running backs and cornerbacks. What I’ve found is the reason some to most of the quarterbacks transfer is because they want to and can play. For some reason, you do find talented quarterbacks stuck in the same depth chart, and maybe that’s because top programs recruit top players. But only one can play, so frequently top programs lose top players. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for a program like WVU’s to take top quarterback transfers and spend a year developing a player it couldn’t have gotten through ordinary means. 

Mack said:

“Skyler really is an above average QB stats-wise…….”

I think people who respond to this statement would probably point out that WVU may have its best offensive line ever, has running-back-by-committee going for a bunch of yards in virtually every game, and has Shelton Gibson, Daquiel Shorts, and Ka’raun White to throw to… so he’s in an above-average situation.

I think that’s an issue people are free to have.

Wayne said:

In my opinion, Senior Day should be about the senior athletes celebrating their careers and the fans acknowledging that. Fans in the stands to cheer their introduction is a part of that. I remember almost feeling sorry for the Louisville players a few years ago when there were more WVU fans than UL fans in the stands for their introductions. I would encourage that all who can be in the stands to cheer the introductions.

Honestly, I think Howard erred by suggesting he’d get booed on senior day. That’s pretty ridiculous because it wasn’t going to happen. It’s only ever happened one time before, and Boo McLee wasn’t mad about it at all.

MontanaEer said:

Never, ever feel sorry for Louisville’s players!

He did say “almost.”

DanInNJ said:

In regards to Howard and the booing, I agree with him in regards to his feeling that it’s not appropriate. His resume, as Mike notes, is impressive for a kid who had no Division 1 offers out of high school and has worked his rear end off to make it to WVU and playing in the Big 12. He is going to finish his career in the top 5 in several passing categories in school history. So for that I think the fans owe him a big round of applause when his name is mentioned on Saturday.

That said, his comment during his press conference after the Iowa State game where he implied that he’s not welcomed here, to me, was misguided on his part. Yes, we have some impatient fans who are quick to voice their displeasure in the stands, but I haven’t seen any petitions floating around demanding that Holgorsen dismiss him on the team because he’s not “welcome” here. To that end, if Howard walks out on Saturday with a “it’s me against all these people” attitude that’s on him. I wish he felt differently, but judging by his comments I don’t think he’ll ever feel as if he found a home away from home at WVU, and that’s a shame because I don’t think that matches up with reality.

It was theatrical, and it looked like he knew it, too. We’re probably going to have a problem tomorrow when he doesn’t want to discuss it after the game.

Sid Brockman said:

Thanks for that insight, Mike. I had never heard Russell got his surgery done in Morgantown.

He did. People thought he was great, too.

Mountiefan3 said:

I googled it…I should have listened.

I tried to warn you.

JMitch said: 

The timing of this story and Skyler’s couldn’t be any better, with people calling Skyler’s character and leadership into question. When Russell was in the hospital Skyler visited him more than once to offer support. Also, people have questioned how he is thin skinned and takes the boos and criticism personally and have remarked about how of course he wasn’t named a permanent captain. Don’t you want your leader to take responsibility and the brunt of it and deflect it off the team so they can go about their business quietly? In any other sport you’d expect the greats to come out and say “We didn’t play well tonight and I take full responsibility. It all starts with me.”

And I know Skyler isn’t one of the greats, he is a young man who has only been at the forefront of D1 football for 2 years. He is still learning, mistakes are going to happen. IMO he has handled the situation better than a vast majority could ever do.

For people that think he isn’t a leader on this team and/or is soft, I just can’t imagine they don’t already have a preconceived notion of him. But what do I know? We’ve been on Skyler’s merry-go-round far too long, and it’s time for me to get off.

Yeah, in retroespect, I feel silly for not including that anecdote in the story, but Howard and Russell became friends over that. I planned to talk to Howard about that Tuesday, when he wasn’t made available to reporters. Also, don’t forget Howard sort of circled/zinged Russell last year because they were at a camp together years earlier and Russell had no idea who Howard was. 

avb31 said:

I will just say it. I will be glad when Skyler is gone. He became a better player than I could have possibly imagined, but his act is wearing thin.

There’s a reason he wasn’t named a permanent team captain. Leaders on a team put the team first and shy away from the spotlight or at the very least are cognizant of the fact that any personal accomplishments do not happen without the team.

His true colors have shown through the past few weeks. He is incredibly selfish and cares more about himself than the team. He strikes me as the kind of guy that would be satisfied with a 4-8 record as long as he threw for 4000 yards and 30 TDs along the way. He would be good as long ad he got his. It is all about Skyler. Might be why Dana put the muzzle on him this week.

As I understand things — and I didn’t spend much time pursuing this, so it might be iffy — they named captains who spent four years with the team.

pknocker40 said:

Yeah Skyler was fired up when Pettaway and Wesco got their TDs and his teammates generally seem to have good chemistry with him. But this was a kid who made the Johnny Manziel fingers in the Liberty Bowl, threw the Horns Down, etc. and then pouted whenever things didn’t go well. Ideally you want your QB to stay in between those extremes.

It’s been mentioned before but I don’t think his biggest weaknesses are physical – they are mental/emotional. He’s athletic enough to be a running threat and throws a good deep ball. It’s his decision-making that is consistently questionable.

This is a perfectly sane comment, and I feel like it would get torpedoed in other venues. Thanks again, everybody.

Grumpy said:

I love this blog as i have said before. There might be difference of opinions at time but its always civil and normally backed up with some stats.

I think what I like most is that it has its own style. We’re not normal. We’re not weird. We’re not vanilla. We’re not mad. We’re not content. We’re just … inimitable. When’s the tailgate?

Mack said:

Honest question: Does Brad Lewis still show up at WVU? I’m not sure what the protocol is for former players, but obviously we see some of them on the sideline from time to time.

That’s two Brad Lewis comments in a week. I’ll look into it.

Sammy said:

Two football comments:

This 2016 team is on pace to break West Virginia’s single season total offense record (breaking the record of the 2012 Geno/Tavon/Stedman team), and WVU averages more yards per play than any team since at least 2008 and I believe more than even the 2005, 2006 and 2007 teams.

Second, Skyler’s QB rating for the game is the most by any WVU QB since Geno Smith vs Kansas in 2012, and was even higher (obviously on many fewer attempts) than Geno’s 8 TD Baylor game.

…probably gonna steal that. 

tom sirk said:

First — this is not a comment on Howard – it is a technical football question! After Chugs entered the game Saturday and threw a couple passes – it was quite noticeable regarding his lower trajectory and velocity v. Howard. Observed during the game several of Howard’s successful long passes were high arching — but, this allowed the received to maneuver, adjust speed, etc. to make the catch.

Not sure what type ball Grier throws ( he is from here in Charlotte, but I never saw him play in high school ) — question: does anyone have an opinion on Grier throwing style v. any adjustment time for receivers? And I understand that is what spring practice is about. Mike has seen him in practice – he may have a comment.

I’ve not seen him practice. He never took live reps when we were allowed in during preseason camp. We’re not allowed to watch practice during the season. But you can google him and see everything you need to see. He’s got a big arm, the square frame and the smooth mechanics. Coach’s son stuff. He’s not as tall as I think a lot of people want to believe. There’s going to be a period of adjustment, but he’s so … natural? … that I think it’ll happen quickly. As for Chugunov, he probably has the best arm on the team.

JP said:

Why did Mike include Tevita Finau and Will Grier in the same tweet?

Because we’re reaching a level of obsession that gives me twitches. Just to be clear: If Grier maintains the standards of eligibility through the rest of this season, the winter, the spring and the summer, his suspension ceases and he’ll be eligible to play against Virginia Tech.

tls62pa said:

At least Grier is tangible. On campus. At practice. Finau was more myth than man, never enrolling after multiple commitments.

This is true. But we’ve been talking and talking and talking about Grier and whether he’ll make it or be eligible or follow Holgorsen to another school or … /twitch.

Mack said:

Surely WVU pays its coach more than Houston pays its. It’s funny that of all the things that people consider that play into which job a coach takes . . . money is usually not mentioned. I’d guess that in reality the highest bidder gets the coach at least nine times out of 10.

There are two main criteria: 1) Money and 2) can you win. The main purpose of 2) is that it has a direct relation to 1) because if you win then you’re going to continue to make more money either via a contract extension or moving up to another job. Holgorsen has to be excited about the chances of winning with next year’s team… but if Oregon ever wants to hire WVU’s football coach then it’s going to get them.

Tom Herman made more than Holgorsen. WVU’s assistants make more, but it’s not a blowout. If Houston wants to land someone big, it’s going to have to pay big.

Mack said:

Houston is a complete non-factor in contract negotiations. There will literally always be a job open that is as attractive as Houston. If a WVU coach leaves for Houston, it says more about WVU than it does about Houston. It reminds me of when RichRod used Kentucky as bargaining leverage against WVU.

For a coach, the only bargaining leverage they have is the idea that they would leave for another school. So no coach is ever going to say, “I won’t go to Houston.”

I don’t think Holgorsen would turn down the money that comes with Oregon even if he was worried about the recruiting situation. In all likelihood, he would just hire a staff of locals (essentially what he’s done at WVU)

I think people underestimate Houston and it’s spot. Herman spent two years there and is now at Texas. What’s to say something similar can’t happen at Texas Tech, Texas A&M, TCU, Baylor, etc.? Could be a brief stay like Herman or a more prolonged stay like Chris Petersen at Boise State. And Dana has some strong ties to the city and the university. At the minimum, it’s a conversation that can happen.

Sammy said:

Is there any scenario where Holgorsen re-signs but Gibby leaves to be HC at a non-P5 school or DC at, say, an SEC school? That to me is the big wrinkle. (And then who does Dana hire…Casteel??)

I have to think Holgorsen and Gibby stay, but with 9-2 and Houston (which offered Tom Herman more money than Dana currently makes) and Oregon open the price went up.

With no pertinent knowledge, I’d be shocked if Gibby left for anything other than a head coaching job.

CC Team said:

Pettaway had the best opening game for a WV running back since…Amos took it to the house on his first carry against Pitt?

I can’t find a player who debuted with more rushing yards.

OhioMike said:

No one deserves a national championship more than coach Izzo-Brown and her girls. She’s built a top program from scratch, convinced the administration to provide her sport with a very nice facility and recruited world class talent. While I’m not a huge soccer fan, I am a huge WVU fan and I’ve streamed several of their games. They are very good and fun to watch. They have a real shot at greatness.

A 25-percent chance, but it’s the No. 1 team and the only No. 1 seed left. It’ll have to go through a 21-time national champ (UNC) and either the team that pummeled that 21-time champ early in the season (USC) or the only team to beat WVU (Georgetown).

Josh24601 said:

Legitimate world class talent – Kadeisha Buchanan was one of 10 finalists for *world* player of the year in 2015.

She’s going to be a four-time first-team All-American. She’s already a four-time Big 12 defensive player of the year. She’s seriously one of the best players, man or woman, on the planet.

smeer said:

I didn’t realize that our starting goalie was a frosh and that we did not have her services from the B12 tourney up until the last game – while playing for Canada’s under-20 national team And that she was highly responsible for the B12 0-goal shutdown. (I think I got all that right)

I noticed a difference in the highlights as she made some amazing saves against Duke. She just might carry us to the NC much like a hot goalie can propel a team to the Stanley Cup.

It’s nuts. Two starters and a reserve were gone for national team duty, and the Mountaineers kept on winning.

Sammy said:

Great stuff. On Howard, the reality is he just doesn’t see the field that well, especially when he’s out of the pocket which is surprising since he has some mobility. I saw the miss to Pettaway live and thought that’s probably a 30 yard gain he gave up by panicking and chucking the ball deep to a double covered Durante.

On the defense, Howard was a boss. I’m really interested to see how many players on this defense get drafted. Douglas for sure, but Noble and Howard seem like good shots (depending on testing and size and all that). I don’t think Tyler or Harper get drafted but they will probably be in a camp.

Hmm. I’d say Noble, Howard and Rasul for sure, and I’m intrigued by Fleming, if he’s healthy, and very intrigued by Christian Brown. I feel like some team is going to see a big guy who can play different techniques at different positions. A late-round value. Agreed on Harper and Tyler, too. Neither guys is going to light up drills and stop watches.

Sid Brockman said:

Thanks for bringing up the “non”-intentional grounding. I threw a bit of a fit about that call watching it on delay. So much so that my wife left the room because of my shenanigans. I’m glad it was on a play that didn’t affect much (since they punted anyway). If it was on first down, Ida lost my [furious] mind.

I guess they missed that it was grounding because they were so concerned with whether it was a fumble? I don’t know. I’m just happy someone smarter than me saw it also.

Well, it saved Iowa State like 20 yards of field position, and WVU could’ve used that to start the subsequent drive in a more-favorable spot. Then again, one never knows what happens at the end of a half, and the Mountaineers won by 30.

I love you, Doug! said:

On the Iowa State kickoff return, I thought Gibson or Durante are usually back to catch breakouts and prevent that from happening?

Good catch. Gibson blew himself up on the diving catch a little bit before that, and he wasn’t on the kickoff team, as he usually is. I’m going to retire this feature and let you all handle it. You’re ready. 

GWPatriot86 said:

What about the double team PANCAKE of ISUs playside OLB on Pettaways screen?!?! Immaculate!!!

See what I mean?!?! You’re correct.

Sammy said:

One can make an argument that the pursuit drill Gibson emphasizes is the biggest difference — among many — from the 2012-2013 defenses and his defenses from 2014 on. In 2012 and 2013 it seemed like if any offensive player got a few steps on WVU it was basically a guaranteed touchdown. I mean I guess it could happen, but I would be shocked if our current defense let something like this happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKlWWJ16PnM

Remember when we had a weekly Yakety Sax play? That was the inspiration.

Mack said:

Casazza is the classic guy who says something (Wesco is good) and then yells out “I called it!” when he catches one touchdown pass. I can identify this type of person because I invented it.

Well, at least you’re reputable.

Woodwork Inhabitant said:

Man, Shell’s had his ups and downs here, but look at his genuine reaction to Pettaway’s TD. The senior who came here obsessing about the next level and getting his numbers (Seider’s words) has really matured. DH has said as much multiple times, but think about it- every game Shell sits decreases his NFL value, yet he seems to be a model teammate this year. I would absolutely be pouting on the sideline during the game and at most given a polite smile/back pat to the freshman taking advantages of all the carries that would have gone to me.

Here’s a fun future post: Rushel Shell’s draft stock. He’s talented. He’s … is he injury prone? How about this? He’s not stayed healthy. His tape will tell maybe two different stories. His coaches and teammates will RAVE about him.

JMitch said:

Just read Mike’s column on Grobe. He was the catalyst for Jeff Mullen. I wanted WVU to pants Baylor already, but I hope they go 2001 Rutgers on the Bears and Grobe.

Enjoy the weekend?