Capital Classic aftermath

December 6, 2012 by Doug Smock

Marshall has lost to West Virginia before, and lost to the Mountaineers much worse than it did Wednesday night, but I haven’t felt as negative a vibe out of that camp as I did after this game — at least in what little postgame I was able to attend. You could tell it in Tom Herrion’s voice.

Deniz Kilicli and his mates came to Charleston, took Marshall’s lunch money and rubbed the Herd’s face in it.

Here is the MetroNews video with Robert Goff’s fateful kick of Juwan Staten. Looks like Goff got his money’s worth, and probably would get a game suspension from the C-USA office if it happened in a league game. We’ll see if anything is done here.

I’ll chip in my 2 cents by copying my response to a faithful Herd fan just a few minutes ago, with some mild alterations. It may answer a few questions/comments you may have, but feel free to contribute.


I would suggest Marshall’s problems are more on offense, against a real defense. You’re going to have to live with [DeAndre] Kane at PG, because Herrion threw his chips on Canty. If you have an alternative, I’m all ears. To this point, Chris Martin has shown he isn’t that answer.

I’m glad to see [Elijah] Pittman got the ball more than he did in the Wilmington game. Now he needs it even more.

Marshall could have packed a 2-3 zone all 40 minutes and the big guys still would have gotten abused by Kilicli and Co. The Herd got mugged. That said, Herrion is a man-to-man man, and that’s that. He’s not the first coach to think that way, he won’t be the last.

Dennis Tinnon’s game was a mystery; he’s a whole lot better than that. D.D. Scarver did get this shots and made some.
Nigel Spikes was disappointing on defense and Robert Goff probably wasn’t ready to play 20 minutes again. Kane’s failures to finish are still a mystery, but PG duties may be affecting him as games wear on.

If this team copes with defensive pressure better, it won’t be so average. Just a hunch.


1-7 Coppin State should be the proverbial mouthwash the Herd needs to get that taste out of its mouth … And then it’s a week before Cincinnati comes to town, and the Bearcats remember how Marshall punched them in the mouth last year.

4 Responses to “Capital Classic aftermath”

  1. Thrill2310 says:

    Kelvin Amayo should be getting eligible on Dec. 18th. After his alotted practices required by the NCAA he should be ready to go 2 by Deleware State. Word is that he will be running the point. Or at least we hope he can.

  2. Doug Smock says:

    If Amayo has any ball-handling skills, and we think he does, he’ll get his minutes. That’s for bloody sure … Just don’t expect him to take over the world right away, assuming he gets eligible. Life and college basketball don’t always work that way.

    In the meantime, this team has to work on a few things before playing Cincinnati in Charleston on the 15th.

  3. Thrill2310 says:

    Oh no doubt. I know it will take time for him to get acclimated to playing. Especially after being away from the game for almost a year. But we need to get Kane back SG as soon as we can. He is doing a very good job at PG right now but that isn’t his game and you can tell it is taking away from him.

    Doug my biggest issues are with this team’s basketball IQ. Go back and look at each time one of our players were being doubled and trapped. For example when Tinnon was being trapped on the baseline late in the second half. Everyone ran down the floor. No one came to help out and that has been the theme for far too long. Everyone just stands around and watches. And it translates into their passing. I have never seen so many iladvised passes and lazy passes from a team like I have from this one. Their shot selection is very suspect at times too.

    The other thing I don’t get is how Nigle only has 3 shot attempts all night. Since Herrion has been here we have never fed the post. I know we are atrocious from the foul line but go back and watch the game. WVU was content with hacking Nigel each and every time he got the ball. With around 3 minutes left in the second half both Kilicli and Murray had 4 fouls. Had we fed Nigel more and given him the ball deep on the blocks not 12-15 out then there is a strong possibility both of those guys are fouled out of that game.

    The other thing that drives me mad is let’s give the ball to Kane at the top of the key and watch. No one moves around and no one sets screens or helps out. Too often it is Kane against the other team. And how Herrion didn’t take advantage of the huge size advantage that Kane had on Staton and get him in the post is beyond me. There isn’t a guard all season or since Kane has been at Marshall that can defend him in the post. Yet we don’t take advantage of it nearly enough.

    Something with this team has got to get changed quick or they will be lucky to win 15 games this season. This team has taken a big step back and with our entire front court gone after this season it isn’t going to be getting any better.

  4. DougSmock says:

    I thought I saw more standing around in this particular game since the Ron Jirsa era, when that was the regular M.O. Kane can pass the ball, but somebody’s got to get open.

    Kane isn’t going to be doing much work in the post when he has to shoulder the load at PG. You may recall how often he mixed it up down there the previous 2 WVU games, against defenders larger and smaller. But the Herd had Pitts and Shaq at PG, with Kane taking a short shift here and there.

    Coppin State isn’t great (or even good) overall, but the Eagles are among the nation’s leader in steals. This is a good game to see how much Marshall has corrected its problems against a sticky defense.

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